P rofessor David Olusoga is reviewing a disorientating year from a familiar place: his white-painted study, the one with the guitars hanging from its walls. The good news is that Black Lives Matter may be that trigger. And Britain worked for the whole of the 19th century to put down slavery in Africa. What would happen to that money, who knows, but as its (or was) your money, thats between you and your grifter of choice. But its still awful, even on a historical scale.. We do not know for sure. In the case of slavery the answer is clear. Quick and essential guide to domestic and global politics from the New Statesman's politics team. The strongest argument I can see for reparations is not that white people bear some kind of ancestral blame. Anglo-Saxons had slaves. To be honest, I was a bit sceptical about the Olympics coming to London, but the atmosphere across the capital was genuinely wonderful . I agree BIS. And they will go looking for parts of the past that aren't on the curriculum, and they evidently do. The Coldest Case in Laramie: yet another bleak true crime podcast, From Sophie Mackintosh to Stephen Moss: new books reviewed in short, Universal Credit falls short of covering the bare essentials. My argument is that Africans were probably happily killing each other for women before the West turned up. Would the good professor really be so different if genealogical records could prove he had African ancestors who owned African slaves? For some peculiar reason possibly because theres a section of Western society has become very insecure about its own position its being some credence. Shouldnt matter whether some long-dead relative fought long ago for or against (not at all to disparage your ancestors GC, who all sound very sound) in terms of whether somethings your fault. Might, in this case, being 100% of the debating point. It may not. First launched in London in 1987, it aims to highlight and celebrate what black people have achieved in Britain throughout history. BurningEars August 30, 2020 at 3:07 pm Theres a flaw in arguments of the form frankly you should be glad I murdered your sister. Thankfully the Woke have gifted us an all purpos3e response to this sort of crap. Vikings took slaves, including exporting Anglo-Saxons (you must have heard the quote Non Angli, sed Angeli about the English slaves being sold in Italy? Then a young teenager, he was driven out of his council home, together with his grandmother, mother, two sisters and younger brother, by a sustained campaign of nightly stoning of their windows. Macmillan, 624pp, 25, David Dabydeen is a novelist, broadcaster, academic and co-editor of The Oxford Companion to Black British History (Oxford University Press), This article appears in the 16 Aug 2017 issue of the New Statesman, Trump goes nuclear, Quick and essential guide to domestic and global politics. What is their strongest argument? So he calls himself a Geordie. I assume he is not very bright and Race Hustling is very lucrative. Thy did not try to grow or raise the next generation. The answer is money. The historian tells Michael Segalov about getting up early, reading George Orwell, taking his dog George for a walk, playing his guitar But morals are very transient things. Check out the trailer for Peter Pan & Wendy, an upcoming live-action movie directed by David Lowery. Maybe someone should advise him to button his lip before he stirs up something he may not like. I had a girlfriend whose mother was a Nazi. Olusoga is of half Nigerian descent. If black lives really mattered these people would be protesting the 500 shot dead so far by predominantly black men in Chicago this year. Some were sold to other African tribes and the rest kept as slaves. Then the adult men became profitable too. That is a strawman argument at its best. A covering letter would be a courtesy but probably not a necessity. A House Through Time returned to BBC Two in May for its third season, and once again is fronted by historian extraordinaire David Olusoga. It died out with the Romans leaving, and its non-legality repeatedly reaffirmed from the reign of the early Normans onwards. The Celtic version of slavery (which ran to quite a different model) was still going on in the places the Romans didnt reach. Slavery is bad or it isnt. Eventually, 11,000 separate British slave-trading expeditions resulted in the trafficking of three-and-a-half-million Africans to the New World plantations, the greatest forced migration in modern history until the 20th century. Prof Olusoga is not the only person who has been drawn to Equiano's story. Wider imperialism reparations that include South Asia, China for the Opium Wars and so on, surely even more prohibitively costly, regardless of how effective the education system gets at making young Brits feel a vague sense of guilt about it all. "We are on a journey in this country and other countries are on similar journeys to try and reconnect to parts of our history that had traditionally been edited out," adds Prof Olusoga. I think a case could be made. Olusoga has benefited from and added significantly to the work of Fryer and other historians such as James Walvin. David Olusoga, 49, is a television presenter and historian. One in which enslaved people suffered and even died from malnutrition, as the economics of the slave trade meant that it was cheaper, at times, to starve people and then replace them than it was to provide them with food. Fought to STOP southern independence. The many African-American abolitionists, such as Frederick Douglass, who visited Britain from the 1840s onwards, were well received and, again, thousands of people greeted them and raised money to support their cause. But that ignores how the demand of outsiders led inevitably to far more supply being provided, so I dont think the traders can be given a pass on this front either. Indeed in many cases, whose ancestors didnt even live in France or England at the relevant time. 1894 shipwreck confirms tale of treacherous lifeboat. I know there are posters on here who see stepping into their opponents perspective as a dangerous and pointless endeavour that gives undue worth to a viewpoint they despise, but purely as a mental exercise theres usually something to be said for examining your opponents strongest argument instead of their weakest. Theres no point pretending Europeans who profited from either the transatlantic slave trade or the use of slave labour in the Americas were somehow doing a favour to the slaves involved. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jxc5ENT8ajg, https://www.history.co.uk/shows/the-real-vikings/articles/eyewitness-to-the-vikings, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vestmannaeyjar, https://www.historytoday.com/archive/normans-and-slavery-breaking-bonds, https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/domesday/world-of-domesday/order.htm, Apparently Essay Mills Must Be Made Illegal, Why Oxfam Can Go Boil Their Heads Over Vaccine Patents, The real point about climate change is how cheap the solution is, The excellent Tim Worstall- The Register, Tim Worstall is a darn good economist- Don Boudreaux, Tim Worstall, you pendant- Polly Toynbee, .more sensible than most right wing nutjob bloggersBob Piper. His exposure to Nigerian culture seems quite limited. Surely the US has already spent much more than that on black Americans. They all get it from White people inciting violence. I am of Ulster Scot heritage, who were originally John Knoxs Cumberland Presbyterians, VERY MUCH against slavery. That needs to change, The autonomous future is nearly here with Wejo, The need to grow Londons EV infrastructure at speed and scale, From royal trumpeter to chief diver, Miranda Kaufmann uncovers the Africans of Tudor Britain, The big consultancy con, with Mariana Mazzucato, The rise and fall of Nicola Sturgeon Audio Long Reads, Facility / Grounds Management and Maintenance, HR, Training and Organisational Development, Information and Communications Technology, Information Services, Statistics, Records, Archives, Infrastructure Management - Transport, Utilities, Science and Technical Research and Development. (At least in our society) Get over it. Less flippantly, Western countries are not of one mind when it comes to the age of consent sex with a 14 year-old is legal in some countries, criminal in others (yes yes, paedophilia versus ephebophilia etc, you got me).. I generally reckon cant blame me, my distant relative was on your side arguments are pretty weak since relying on a doctrine of virtues of the fathers risks implicitly accepting sins of the fathers. If we went down this route thered be goodness knows how much fun and games to be had with legal claims over the treatment of Irish by Cromwell, the clearing of the Highlands and so on, before you even get on to the globe-spanning imperial stuff. One of his teachers had a coffee mug bearing a National Front slogan and another attacked him during a school trip, he said. Nineteen eighty-four was a transformative year for David Olusoga. Their cities, as well as their comfort, will rapidly decay. The rest of this looks like the usual white washing (so to speak) of African slavery. Required fields are marked *. Separated from home and family and landed in the West Indies (countless numbers dying of suffocation during the journey, given that the people traffickers were packing the holds to maximise profits), the Africans had no recourse to the law, much less the conscience of their captors. Long after he had published Corydon, his defence of pederasty. There are probably a thousand organisations, charities and assorted grifters who would happily cash your cheque. Their demands should simply be refused. "Incorporating the stories of people like Equiano is merely part of a process of looking at all of British history; not just being selective, not only going to the chapters that make us feel good about ourselves or proud.". You can pay all the reparation for historical slavery related wrongs, real or imaginary, you want. Arguably wrong in a crimes against humanity way (similar language of natural justice and universal morality indeed being used by the abolitionists and the UK itself when it tried to enforce a ban on the trade) that made it inherently illegal even when governments tried to put it on a legal footing. Deliberately shipping that many people that far in order to participate in a newly-created society whose economic system was designed, pretty much from the ground up, around slave labour? You might have heard of a Romano-British chap called Patrick, got enslaved and nabbed to Ireland? It was an apt university to experiment with such developments, since Lord Scarman, who reported on the Brixton riots of 1981, was its chancellor. Would probably have taken your suggestion as a challenge. His autobiography, The Interesting Narrative of the Life of Olaudah Equiano, details how he was sold into slavery aged 11, his experience of travelling the world as slave to a Royal Navy officer - who renamed him Gustavus Vassa - and how he bought his freedom from his final master, an English merchant in Montserrat. Tim may be wrong about stuff, but ..that, ultimately, makes up for his beating squirrels to death for a hobby, Tim Worstall a horrid man who is anti-minimum wage among other repugnant things Socialist News. Even did something positive. It is a form of self-loathing. Giles Terera, the Olivier award-winning British performer who starred in the popular theatre production Hamilton, has recently staged a play called the Meaning of Zong about the massacre of 132 enslaved Africans aboard the slave ship Zong in 1781 and the impact it had on Equiano. And, of course, being half white, he is only entitled to half the reparation payment. They may not be happy about Dresden or Hiroshima but their lives are much better. When I met her, ~1995, I started asking her questions about the war, as I thought she was a fabulous resource of information. And yet Africans and West Indians were banned from the victory parade in 1919. This is a moral argument. This seems rather unlikely. Pretty sure if you could, implausibly, trace my family tree through various not-very-literate eras youd pass through at least one Anglo-Saxon who owned a bunch of Britons. Sure. We pretend we do not like slavery but actually we do not like slave traders. Its very noticable how nobodys mentioning that the Spanish Empire were doing this for several centuries before the British got involved. It does not take people long to starve to death and slaves were paid for. The Barbados slave code of 1661 stripped Africans of all human rights, and set out ways in which they were to be punished, to exert control over their labour (mutilation of the face, slitting of nostrils, castration, execution). And the transatlantic slave trade? Not to say it was nice. If you want to pay more tax, just write a cheque to HMRC and send it off. It is about the centuries-long engagement with Africa, a consequence of which is the black presence in Britain. * the legal institution and pretty much the practice While I dont think they persuaded anyone, they did shift perspectives a bit. She wasnt interested in my academic pursuit. Wrong ?!?! And this of course neatly addresses MBEs arguments. In 1787, they met in London and set up the Society for Effecting the Abolition of the Slave Trade. My great, great, grandfather was one. "I have," he admits, "a habit of . Well whats the point of pretending it doesnt also induce moral disgust in me, just in case someone mistakes it for guilt, or an admission of liability? Sugar was king: originally a luxury, it became one of the main sources of calories for the British poor. Whether they are too stupid to think of that remains to be seen. Video, 00:02:30. Theres probably more mileage in my country, or at least its historical incarnation, fought against it because unlike the actual people involved, the state is still around. If you think 14 is the wrong decision for the boundary, a better argument is a rebuttal of the strongest case for 14 rather than a rebuttal of a straw-man version of it. Fuck right off As a winning debating strategy. Full text must be online somewhere but theres an extract at https://www.history.co.uk/shows/the-real-vikings/articles/eyewitness-to-the-vikings. Even Bill Clinton had affinity for the USA. Should almost go without saying except of course that it doesnt, since clearly not every culture has the same moral gut reaction to it that I do. Definitely didnt die out with the Romans. No member of my family ever owned slaves. "They're not looking to history only to make them feel good and give them comfort, but they're looking to history to tell them things about truths about their society that we have traditionally edited out of British history.". As would Beyonce. I havent the faintest idea whether slavery in the Roman controlled areas of Britain was more along the continental Roman model or retained Celtic characteristics. He is the undisputed King of the Internet Pedants and Lord of the Unnecessary Snark. The arguments do you want to get shaken down for several trillion?. Maybe heard of Saint Balthild, seventh-century English lass sold into slavery, exported to the Continent, served in a palace and ended up marrying the Frankish King?). "This is a richer history as well as a necessary history; this is a more vivid history as well as a history that tells the back stories of more people in this country than the traditional narratives we've had.". If the alternative was that they were killed? He was Chairman of Moneysupermarket Group from 2014 to 2019 and Senior Independent Director of Close Brothers Group plc from 2006 to 2014 and is a Past President of the Chartered Management Institute. There is no reason to single White people out for unique levels of criticism. The best and brightest minds in the UK defended Stalins slavery. For almost 60 years, there was impasse. One issue about Westerners buying slaves via a chain of commerce that often ultimately involved Africans selling other Africans at traditional slave-trading locations (there was some slave-raiding by Europeans directly, but rarer) is that the extra demand distorted the market, led directly to more armed slave-raiding expeditions against rival tribes and so on. The enslaved Africans had to wait another five years for their freedom and were not given a penny. Women, denied a meaningful role in politics, formed their own organisations, writing tracts, pamphlets and poems, gathering signatures for petitions and fundraising: At certain times and in certain places they were the engine room of the movement.. This is because forgetting slavery means forgetting its victims. But there have been other societies with slavery where slaves had more autonomy and a greater chance of buying their freedom. Yet theyre so many centuries and generations removed from the crime, everybody involved with the decision-making is long-dead and while the responsible state still exists, in practice compensation comes from taxes paid by citizens who had no part in it all. . And yet anti-black race riots broke out in 1948 in Liverpool and in 1958 in Nottingham and Londons Notting Hill. Both of these need proof. He talks about slavery because YOU care. You may concede a point here, a point there. Rather the constitution banned the slave trade and so it become economically worth it to make sure slaves lived longer. If you are wracked with guilt, ashamed of your forebears, do it! Olusoga patterns his narrative after Fryers, starting with the North African presence in Roman Britain. Should black history be taught all year round? The exception is Tim Worstall, who is truly the Ron Jeremy of blogging. He presented the recent series of A House Through Time on BBC 2, and Black and British: A Forgotten History. Looking at what happened in Haiti or Jamaica or chunks of Latin America, I dont find either well, could have been much worse or what do you expect, Early Modern West Europeans, how could they have known better? to be particularly convincing responses. David Olusoga's Family David Olusoga, age 49 was born to a Nigerian father and a British mother. No doubt life expectancy of a slave was shorter than that for a free man. The masses who once supported black freedom now campaigned for the Deep South. That was a bad experience but he should know that you cannot judge a whole country by what happened when he was young. But any planter who deliberately starved his slaves to death would quickly go bust. This is nothing to do with slavery or as with black lives matter, blacks being shot, and everything to do with a shakedown of the white man. It can be withdrawn. Pope Nicholas V gave his blessing, so long as the Vatican benefited. Britain should be proud of helping to stop (African to America) slavery, like the Republican Party and unlike the Democrats. But that is not the argument I am making. A newsletter showcasing the finest writing from the ideas section, covering political ideas, philosophy, criticism and intellectual history - sent every Wednesday. The system he witnessed and wrote about was one in which human beings were worked to death. Its an interesting exercise to consider, given we live within such a system, how or whether that contradiction can be settled. Those who grew rich on slavery and the slave trade were not neutral and no achievement or act of philanthropy justifies airbrushing their involvement from history.. Anybody can do this. BLM is after political or financial advantages because of slavery. The evidence of this is that seasoned slaves, those exposed to the environment, sold for up to 50% more than new ones. White communities suffer huge losses from Black crime. Hundreds of White women raped every day. David Olusoga is a 49-year-old historian and presenter Credit: Getty - Contributor David Olusoga is a British Nigerian historian, broadcaster and writer. But you need a different approach if you dont think great-grandkids of the Confederacy are still fair game.) All in all your typical West African is far more likely to have ancestral connections to the slave trade than your typical Brit. The publication in 1852 of Uncle Toms Cabin, by the American abolitionist Harriet Beecher Stowe, swelled national sympathy for the plight of black slaves. Prof Olusoga says statues, such as those of slave traders . He is the author of the 2016 book Black and British: A Forgotten History, which was awarded both the Longman-History Today Trustees Award 2017 and the PEN Hessell-Tiltman Prize 2017. I brought up paedophilia to demonstrate that there are things not worth my time. That is not true. He was a prominent figure in the campaign to abolish slavery. A renowned economist has said that $12 trillion should be afforded to black Americans in reparation for slavery to help the close wealth gap.. 2023 BBC. They may have been turning people they would have killed into a profitable commodity. Well one economist has worked out the amount to be paid (although not on a damages basis, when one imagines blacks might end up paying whites, but on a close the wealth gap basis): A renowned economist has said that $12 trillion should be afforded to black Americans in reparation for slavery to help the close wealth gap. But slaves were more valuable, so the British fought the Spanish for a share in the trade and eventually came to dominate it. Back in the heyday of blogging, perhaps ten years ago or so, there was a blogger calling him/herself The Heresiarch who enjoyed running against received opinions. They arent going to concede anything. Like Fryers book, Olusogas will inspire and will come to be seen as a major effort to address one of the greatest silences in British historiography. "They look to history not just for inspiration and comfort, not just for heroes and for glorious chapters; they look for history expecting to find challenging stories, painful stories, dark truths, villains as well as heroes. And I dont think this is what reparations campaigners are calling for either, as I understand it their argument includes systematic legacy issues not just the period of slavery itself, so the harm relates more directly to them not just their ancestors. is that the extra demand distorted the market, led directly to more armed slave-raiding expeditions against rival tribes and so on.. But oddly enough, people like Olusoga havent given me the cash yet. You lost those two. Needless to say they should pay us reparations for this too. Joining them is Psychologist and Lecturer at Lancaster University, Dr David Tod, for a fascinating conversation about the psychology of acting. Not sure how sick this makes me. Olusoga is just getting even because he was attacked by the right when he was a teenager. The novel became the bestselling book of 19th-century Britain; it was adapted for the theatre and generated mass-produced merchandise playing cards, jigsaws, tableware. Dr Peter Olusoga is a senior psychology lecturer at Sheffield Hallam university. at scales that were unusual in the long and varied history of slavery, and levels of brutality that stood out too. Not sure theyd do that with modern sensibilities mind you. Nobody will stop you, honest. But it is also likely that disease played a role. and while the responsible state still exists, Theres a fundamental weakness with all theories of universal law or justice, which is that across time and space, the human conception of what is right and just seems to be extremely varied and rarely (to modern Western eyes) pleasant.. It may have made sense for the SS to starve labourers to death. Because it isnt about who you are, its about who your ancestors were. Although the bottom line is that no Black person remembers slavery. Cest de la trs bonne dialectique conomique. There is no reason to think one system was more or less brutal than the other. But werent they lucky compared to the other Germans in Stalingrad? Writing in english is cultural appropriation so STFU. Get back to us when youve developed your historicalguiltometer. Prof Olusoga is not the only person who has been drawn to Equiano's story. Oblong, The point about slave descendants in Georgia being better off than descendants of slave sellers from West Africa is reasonably strong (though look back in everyones ancestry and youre likely to find, far back enough, a mix of slaves, owners and probably traders too). The UK, Norway, Benelux, Spain, Malta and Switzerland are, I believe, the only western European countries to set it at 16. MBE: The problem with the UK paying reparations is that people like Olusoga would have to pay their share of the greatly increased taxes. Its entirely possible to think something was awful without feeling the slightest twinge of guilt or personal responsibility. The BBC is not responsible for the content of external sites. Why are these characterizations needed? Olusoga, who is half-Nigerian, traces this focus to his mother telling him when he was a child that Nigerian soldiers served in World War II. 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