Bunny hops were absolutely a blast on this bike. It also responds a fraction quicker at the pedals, and delivers more overrun power when ratcheting the pedals over technical features up a climb. According to e*thirteen, the safety inspection is relevant to all EP8 owners, regardless of what cranks are fitted. It even surpasses them in terms of noise (very quiet under load) and weight. Oh, how the humorous aspect of your comment has been missed. The question of what happens with this combination is for the manufacturer of that combination to answer.. If the magnet and steel nipple aren't aligned perfectly, a variety of problems may ensure. Just remember to manually unpair your phone from the bike before you start riding again, as the motor wont engage while the system is paired to the app. In terms of improvements, EP8 is marginally lighter (300g) and smaller in volume (10%) over the old E8000 motor. This is part of our COMMENCAL Care program, we consider a warranty case should have no cost at all for any of our customers.. On my e8000, my impression was (now on a Trek Rail w a Bosch gen 4) that if you were at two bars, you were really at one, and if you were at one, youd better be a couple of blocks from home. Weve noticed this while pedalling along forest double tracks and on the road to and from the trailhead, but its also apparent when sprinting along faster sections of singletrack. Is this a review for ants? Having spoken with other long-term EP8 and Bosch Gen 4 users, it would appear that for many riders its a non-issue. These combinations meet our strict and exacting quality standards. We will have them soon available in all our subsidiaries (Canada, USA, Chile, Australia, NZ and Reunion Island) to reach all our customers worldwide.. Still, given the lengths that bike and drivetrain manufacturers have gone to stealthify mountain bikes over the past few years, we found the noisy EP8 motor to be infuriating during the first few rides just as we did with the Bosch Gen 4. Its the Orbea Rise that achieves the most discreet integration however, with a frame that was purpose-built around the smaller EP8 motor, rather than having been retrofitted from a previous E8000 drive unit. Its mostly apparent when freewheeling down really rough trails, but weve been able to detect it when the motor is engaging and disengaging around the 25km/h cutoff on the road, and while cruising over washboard bumps on mundane fireroads. Once paired, find the Customise menu and select Assist. Overall very pleased with the bike and the motor. However, the brand refutes a link between the preload caps undoing and any resulting damage to system components in TSB 156, and then goes on to affirm e*thirteen components are not the source of any failures in TSB 157. The actual mechanism works well but is very easy to break, just turn the allen key the wrong way by mistake..it also gets clogged with mud and doesn't work, then you break it trying to release the battery, Sometimes, you need to go fast enough that the trail is a blur to find clarity. It's kinda frustrating. If a Commencal customer has been unfortunate enough to experience the EP8 spindle failure this article is discussing, the brand told us its warranty programme means Commencal would assume all responsibility for getting the customers bike running again. Already have an account with us? Not the first time Shimano has screwed the pooch with recent launches. The freewheel is still in the (regular) rear hub so when you're not pedaling, nothing in the motor-bottombracket assembly should be moving, isn't it? Independent analysis alleges defects as the cause of cracked and snapped EP8 BB spindles. The svelte motor casing provides more clearance for the rear wheel and suspension components, allowing brands to build their bikes with shorter chainstays. Weve been living with the Shimano EP8 motor for six months now across three different bikes; the Merida eOne-Sixty, the Polygon Mt Bromo, and the Canyon Spectral:ON. Don't all e-bikes feature walk assist? As mentioned earlier, the Bosch motor does feel punchier than Shimano EP8, with noticeably stronger support at lower cadences. But even then it is still quieter than my saddle bag bouncing around. You also need a special key to release the battery from the frame, which were not fans of, at least for a mountain bike anyway. Aside from the sound of the clutch, everything else in the "CONS" list can be fixed with software updates. That rattling feeling comes from one way bearing. Durability and ease of maintenence is far more important than power in my world. I have to admit some of the comments make me laugh out loud while others score some points for being helpful and based on fact, not hearsay fiction. It isnt a huge difference, but sometimes its just enough for your rear wheel to make it up and over a stubborn tree root or rock ledge. - Lightweight and small form factor Quote Start New Topic Post a reply to: SHIMANO EP8 - won't turn on (new bike) The Kiox head unit has a nice colour screen with plenty of useful data on it, but were not sold on the magnetic attachment and the fact that the motor wont turn on without the head unit. What's left is just a plain old mountain bike with a weight around 14kg. On top of that, Shimano also appears to be cool with brands building their bikes with non-Shimano batteries. On one ride with the Canyon Spectral:ON, the range estimation initially showed 25km. I have tested a few ones and to me best one is Specialized in terms of ridding feeling and refinement. For riders scoping out bigger rides than that, youll want to consider dialling down the Assistance Character to improve efficiency. Purchased an SC Bullit in march and I now have 520 miles on it. In the lower settings, youll have to pedal really hard to get maximum support the motor. Maximum power output sits at 500W, although the. "While we dont expect people to ride with their phone on their handlebars when mountain biking" - Buddy, you must not have seen many e-bike riders. Along with the svelte carbon frame, that helps to reduce the total bike weight to as low as 16.2kg, creating a potentially worthy adversary to the Specialized Levo SL. Thus when I'm carrying a spare battery I can get up to 60 mile rides in, which e-bike or not, is still a hell of a day in the saddle. But would the noise stop us from recommending an EP8-equipped bike? @tomdesoals: I don't quite get it though. Indeed Specialized actually built the new Levo around a mullet setup with a 27.5in rear wheel, in order to shorten the chainstays. It doesn't feel good. All I could find is that bike manufacturers are to hold off selling the EP8 until Oct/Nov while they addresses some final issues. Reading between the lines, we suspect the misinterpretation e*thirteen is referring to is regarding the EP8 bottom bracket axle spindle failure noted in TSB 157. Have had my Norco Range LVT with the EP8 for a week and have noticed the noise, maybe once? If there is no threadlocker patch, move onto point 2c. My take away besides the obviously pro/con talking points was the weight of the bike. This occurs if the cap is not correctly tightened or the factory-fitted threadlock hasnt been adequately applied, and if the crank arms pinch bolts arent tightened to their correct torque. Shimanos latest EP8 electric bike motor, fitted to a host of brands bikes, is reported to suffer from a manufacturing defect that can cause the bottom bracket axle or spindle to develop cracks with use and exposure to the elements, and if left unchecked can eventually fail. There are a lot of factors that influence range including rider weight, tyre choice, trail conditions, and elevation. Regardless ebike or "normal" MTB. What settings you end up will depend on your personal riding style, and your expectations of range and power output. I have this motor. For commercial info: info@eplus.bike. Funny that Shimano now budget e-bike motor builds? Some claim it's a dangerous motor that suffers spindle failures. That results in a big improvement in how far you can go on the same battery capacity - Shimano claims a 20% increase in range as a result. Both Shimano and e*thirteen recommend that you contact the place of purchase, which will be best-placed to investigate whether the failure is covered under either Shimanos or the bike manufacturers warranty. Weve ridden the latest Bosch Performance CX Gen 4 motor on a variety of e-MTBs, including the Cube Stereo Hybrid 160 and the Trek Rail. If in doubt about such components, we recommend speaking to your bicycle manufacturer.. Too hot to handle even. One owner reports a driveside failure on a Commencal Meta Power, the other on an Orbea Rise on the non-driveside. I'm not an ebike hater - but (you knew it was coming) - I can't ever see myself being able to justify the expense of one and I wouldn't like to risk a second hand one. The sign of a true technical rider. Put on i9 Hydra hubs, annoying motor rattle sounds disappears. Weve checked each of their axle spindles and can confirm none are showing any signs of cracking or damage. Der Shimano EP8 ist kleiner und leichter Nicht nur das Motorgehuse ist kleiner, auch das Innenleben des EP8 Motors. Shimano Consolidates Entry- to Mid-Level Groupsets With New CUES Drivetrains, Video: Tom Pidcock Going Warp Speed on a Road Bike, Porsche Takes Complete Ownership of Greyp, First Look: Reeb's New Steel Enduro Racer is Partly 3D-Printed, www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/wanneroo/bicycle-parts-and-accessories/men-s-petrol-bike-mountain-bike-/1259285475, www.cyclevolta.com/story/ebike-components/hold-up-shimanos-new-emtb-motor, www.avdweb.nl/solar-bike/solarbike/maxun-solar-bike. Didn't think I'd ever see that. If speed and maximum power output is less of a concern though, switching into the factory Eco mode is a sure-fire way to get more ride time expect range to double from those figures above. The sound is the same, the motor works but you just hear it spinning. I have not heard of a recall, so I did some digging. It's a similar level of feeling to Gen. - A little more overrun on technical climbs would be swell According to Shimano, the EP8 motor offers a 36% reduction in drag over the old E8000 motor, and were inclined to believe that claim. It's also a very quiet motor when pedalling. That just isn't real world riding though, you just don't spend all your time in boost mode. Come join the discussion about bike parts, components, deals, performance, modifications, classifieds, trails, troubleshooting, maintenance, and more! We need to go deeper. Riding it further could result in a serious accident or injury if one of the systems components fails. The charge bars are a major issues though on the 8000, after a bit of use the battery becomes extremely unpredictable. Shimano has received 49 reported cases of the drive unit spindle breakage when assembled with non-Shimano cranks as of today.. Bosch's Performance Line CX equals Shimano's torque,. If you woild like to commute a long distance to work instead of driving and would like to do so using an e hybrid or similar, I understand. This, of course, is good news for Commencal customers with EP8 drive units and e*thirteen cranks, and were hopeful other brands will follow suit. Alex then moved back to the UK and put his vast knowledge of mountain biking to good use by landing a job working for MBUK magazine as features editor. I also got it second hand as I just can't afford new. Why don't you just make 10 be the top number and make that fully charged? Along with the EP8s magnesium casting, heat sinks and polished logos, it affords a classy look not an easy feat for an e-MTB. All you guys "waiting" to get a ebike are blowing it..the bikes are refined trek rail no problems..going around the country slaying every trail I see chugging beer and laughing at all u haters.. believe me I guys will all be on one sooner than later. 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