Doug [Oliver] had died, and it was 2001. Alice Notley is an extraordinary reader of her own work, which, in the last year, she has read in the U.S.A. (Providence, R.I., and Brooklyn, N.Y.), in the U.K. (Birmingham), and in France (The Pompidou Center, Paris). AN: It was definitely weird to get food stamps. It so happens that there are many of those trees, syringas, in Rochester, NY, where hes from. Notley came to prominence as a member of the second generation of the New York School of poetryalthough she has always denied being involved with the New York School or any specific movement in general. The poet reads and discusses her work. Recent books continue to be at least somewhat character centered. Their apartment at 101 St. Mark's Place again became a hub for both young writers and Berrigan and Notley's contemporaries. How, in your view, did humanity get itself in such a predicament? There are passing moments that neednt be dwelled upon, but if youre going to go to war against a couple of countries, I think you merit an accusation of doing just that. For example my poem In the Pines has been set to music by AroarA, who are two members of the Canadian, indie group, Broken Social Scene. . There were various famous people now that were in it like Susie Timmons. 7Alice Notley: Im from the desert which I found intensely attractive as nature, and its my nature reallyI havent been back in six years but I love that nature. By Alice Notley. Philip Gourevitch. Alice Notley has become one of Americas greatest living poets. There was one called How Green Was My Hair Brush? which was a Ron title. AN: Yes, and she hasnt changed much. Courtesy of the artist, re-photographed by Daesong Kim, April 2018. The couple returned to Chicago for a brief period of time after their year in England before moving to New York City in 1976. They ran away into abstract poetry: that makes a lot of sense to me. For the Ride is a difficult book, constructed largely of long, discursive lines reminiscent of a Beckett monologue, testing the selfs capacity to hold together: one is not, ones are not, separated. DR: Yes, those are full of imagery: evidently, they have all kinds of signification. Alice Notley wanders through a Paris cemetery and speaks to her dead father about her life in France, where she has lived since 1992. Whys not valid here. NOTLEY, Alice. DYLAN, Bob, The Man in the Old Black Coat.. , Portland, WA: Fonograf Editions (Octopus Books), 2019. AN: When its around me, I take it in. Songs for the Unborn Second Baby. I could have a conversation about Royal Trux: a very chaotic indie group, sometimes awful, sometimes amazingly brilliant. She lives in Paris. The stream of shattered consciousness is occasionally punctuated by shaped picture-poems, variously representing a ship, a face, a winged coyote. The Circus (1971). Orpheus is a stand-in for poetry. New York: Penguin Poets, 2016. Nadja who sees things before they happen next and is just carted off: the status of mediums becomes a metaphor for the status of poetry in society. Poems, articles, podcasts, and blog posts that explore womens history and womens rights. To quote: If its a spiritual offense does it as wrongdoing take place more in more in the second leftover/ as a leftover and is the significance of the double now that I might be might the /one who offends Have you heard it read? Born: Bisbee, Arizona, 8 November 1945. White Phosphorus (1988) and Beginning with a Stain (1987). Said Let there be lightbulbs & liquefaction. Im closely influenced by them, and working with Apollinaire at the moment. I assume I've learned a little more since the last time I taught, and that I've a little more to learn in the teaching. However, I dont know what I was listening to when I was beginning to write. The New Yorker may earn a portion of sales from products that are purchased through our site as part of our Affiliate Partnerships with retailers. 47DR: Its incredible because, I just re-read Nadja recently. [2], After Notley's graduation, she and Berrigan spent periods of time in New York City and Buffalo. My mother had broken her hip. Referring back to her writing in the 1970s in an interview with the Ampersand Review, Notley says she felt she was the only poet I knew of who used the details of pregnancy and motherhood as a direct, pervading subject in poems, on a daily basis, as if it were true that half the people in the world gave birth to others and everyone had been born. Poems from this time include Clinical Thermometer Set with Moonstone and How Spring Comes. Everyone who went there was either black or Hispanic. It bears a dedication to James Schuyler and Anne and Fairfield Porter, who were also residing together on Long Island at the time. AN: I learned a lot from him on that level. They would go out in the Hopi pueblo and get whatever snakes there were around, and a quarter would be rattlers, but in Prescott, they only used bull snakes. The poetry community in Bolinas was particularly strong at the time, withJoanne Kyger,Philip Whalen,Bill Berkson,Robert Creeley, and Bobbie Louise Hawkins all among its residents. There are different paces and reading styles possible; the performance can be different each time. But her writing exerts intense attraction. Especially in the way that lucid means shining and bright. Then I found all the spots around the world in them and talked about them as being set in the world as a whole, saying that was a fitting poetry for now, when were all crossing borders all the time: spanning geography is the main event today, because there are so many people. Photograph by Nigel Beale / The Biblio File. NOTLEY, Alice. I would give a task often based on traditional forms, or I would get an idea for a subject; and sometimes I used Kenneths books, because he was writing all those books then about teaching in nursing homes and to groups of small children. Est construido en ambas orillas del ro Nore. My name is ending refused Notleys persistent nonconformismone of her most difficult works is called Disobedienceinsists that further possibilities exist. Jobs People Learning Dismiss Dismiss. NOTLEY, Alice. New Addresses was influenced by my autobiographical book that almost won the Pulitzer Prize, Mystery of Small Houses (1998), getting him to dredge up his past, bravely. For your work, from that angle, the place to start would be the collages you make, visual art. Where Leftover Misery Goes. Chain 7, Memoir/Antimemoir; Summer 2000, p. 147-151. After the war, that tradition was exhausted. DR: Eileen Myles is another poet who comes from an Irish, working-class, New England background and lost her father. 123AN: I wrote an essay about her work in a book of essays called Coming After (2005), and I have essays in it about her and Joanne Kyger, Ted Berrigan, Lorenzo Thomas, Frank OHara, and some others. I like that it's a manuscript and not a book. One of the lines in that particular poem is actually straight from Dylan, which I finally just say: I know no one can sing the blues like blind Willie McTell. Id been quoting from the song all the way through in the whole poem. New York: Random House, 1954. Where Leftover Misery Goes.. Somewhere, I have a photo of my father with a snake in his mouth and every year that he did it, he got a little tattoo of a star on his hand; and my mother danced the year she was pregnant with me the. Jack Would Speak Through the Imperfect Medium of Alice is an imagined rebuke by Beat writer Jack Kerouac of his biographers, many of whom focused on the lurid and sensational details of his personal life rather than the importance and impact of his writing. Alma, or The Dead Women. They are a grappling with it as a kind of a design problem. Alice Notleys influence on a later generation of poets exploring the subject of motherhood is hard to overstate. Notley's 1985 play "Anne's White Glove," a commission by Ada Katz's Eye and Ear Theater navigated the pain of Berrigan's death, and her collections Margaret & Dusty (Coffee House, 1985), Parts of a Wedding (Unimproved Editions, 1986), and At Night the States (The Yellow Press, 1987) contain material written during a period of mourning. Teds father worked for the Tip-Top Bread factory and died when he was fifty of a heart attack, after being laid off due to mechanization. You know Frank was this little gay guy and Ted was this big, butch, working-class guy from Rhode Island; they were both from New England so there may have been something that he caught off of Franks voice as a vibration, or of Franks way of behaving in the world (I never met him; Ted once gave me permission to call him Frank). 1967; University of Iowa, Iowa City, M.F.A . Alice Notleywas born in Bisbee, Arizona, in 1945 and grew up in Needles, California. 116AN: I was there. 52I do write down my dreams, though I havent been dreaming much lately; but Ive been doing that for years. These places are continuously operating as presences in your poetry, particularly the Needles of your youth, in California, the Lower Manhattan in the heyday of New York School Poetry, and the Paris of today. There are passing moments that neednt be dwelled upon, but if youre going to go to war against a couple of countries, I think you merit an accusation of doing just that. New York: United Artists, 1979. NOTLEY, Alice. But although it feels dashed-off, OHaras essay is more than fashionable flash. This period also marked an increase in scholarly interest in Notley's work. River beneath appearances. Ad Choices. She describes it as an immense act of rebellion against dominant social forces, against the fragmented forms of modern poetry, against the way a poem was supposed to look according to both past and contemporary practice. The narrator, Alette, finds herself in a feminist epic, on a subway, traveling deeper and deeper in the tunnels, into an underworld filled with caves and otherworldly characters. Maggie Nelson, in her excellent book about the women of the New York School, describes Notleys later aesthetic as Fuck You the reader, fuck mainstream poetry, fuck avant-garde poetry, fuck France, fuck America, fuck daily life, fuck death, and so on.. This is typical of what happens when I make a collage. 75DR: Speaking of Anne Waldman somehow makes me think of the presence of Native Americans in your work. DR: In that book, the heroine is a true medium who can look at someones face and know things, and at the end she is taken off to the asylum; Andr Breton then rails for two pages about how misguided asylums are, which makes your collage seem to be broaching the question of clairvoyance in terms of surrealistic, poetic culture. AN: Like dolmensyes, something like that. DR: It seems to be an inspired collage. At the same moment, at Saint Marks, Bernadette Mayer, Anne Waldman, and I taught poetry workshops. Aeneas founded a city, Rome. This is before the lost sacred corpus vision, someone says Look at my author photo. Alice Notley was born on November 8, 1945, in Bisbee, Arizona, and grew up in Needles, California. In a lecture titled Thinking and Poetry, Notley underscores the deep difficulty of following ones own direction: I find being a poet something that must start again all the time; Im The Goddess who created this passing world, Said Let there be lightbulbs & liquefaction, Life spilled out onto the street, colors whirled, Toys and rose The zoo body zigzags. AN: He was a good friend. Poems.. In March 2021, Notley was a guest blogger forHarriet. , Wesleyan University Press, 2006 (p.292-293), reproduced with permission of the author. , c. 1945, courtesy of the Alice Notley, re-photographed by Daesong Kim. In fact he taught the same undergraduate classes for years and years, refusing to teach graduate students becausehe saidthey couldnt learn anything, were already set in their ways. Nadja, in uvres compltes, tome 1. Of course, we salute their past: all the greats, Guillaume Apollinaire and Pierre Reverdy, and some well-known others. The Descent of Alette is a 1992 book length poem by the American poet Alice Notley. We were all born in 1945, and despite a certain competitiveness at first, became good friends. In fact, the strong memories of starting points, including the vegetation, you just evoked link you to your New York School entourage. Then he writes poetry in the variable foot which is a huge influence on my later work. Poems and prose about conflict, armed conflict, and poetry's role in shaping perceptions and outcomes of war. Her Mysteries of Small Houses (1998) was a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize. It always felt to me like I was enacting ideas that visual artists had normally, that I was figuring it out. 4Since then, her poetry has continued to flow and evolve. New York: Chax Press, 2010. I dont give a All the political problems are based in history. Though I didnt know I was being influenced by him again when I was doing. And Virgil: (2011): she is a female character who suffers a kind of erasure, despite being the great queen of Carthage. Did it influence you? The whole point of the Aeneid is to take away from her the founding of a city, and transform her into this love suicide, and to rob her of her power. Edwin Denby made his name as a dance critic, but his poetry was a pivotal influence on the writers and artists of the New York School. A calligram by Guillaume Apollinaire, from La Petite Auto (1918). MYLES, Eileen. Chicago: C Press, 1971. 85DR: Also referring to the Aeneid, you speak about Dido in Songs And Stories Of The Ghouls (2011): she is a female character who suffers a kind of erasure, despite being the great queen of Carthage. Her first husband, Ted Berrigan, was an equally charismatic figure among an influential group of downtown poets. She made one change when she worked for James Schuyler, and she adopted a version of his short line, though after that theres little change, except a few years ago, when she started putting in spaces between thoughts: in a new way she created some disjunction she had never had before. Dismiss. It seems nobody has any sense of tone of voice any more. DR: Frank OHara was strongly influenced by Williams, and you in turn take a lot from OHara. Poetry itself can be thought of as that which comes from afar. Thats what Ive done ever since in different ways. 45DR: Its also what Andr Breton mentions, in his book, Nadja (1963): staying at the Htel des Grands Hommes with his surrealist friends, who wont get into the Panthon either. I quoted from Songs for the Unborn Second Baby (1979). My poems are full of creosote bushes, and athel trees which are extremely ugly trees that somehow got there, who knows how, maybe by way of the Colorado River which goes right by where I grew up. 77For three or four years my father danced the Hopi snake dance with a live snake in his mouth. The Paris Review Interviews vol. AN: He had no trust in his own ability to write things out, while he had faith in his ability to find things. Doug [Oliver] had died, and it was 2001. Ones not overshadowed like in forests elsewhere, but its particularly harsh, and hot: the Mojave goes up to 120-125 [Fahrenheit], sometimes. The book took its title from the address of their home on Long Island and was published by Berrigan's C Press. 74AN: Well, you learn a lot from teaching, at the beginning. AN: Well, you learn a lot from teaching, at the beginning. In addition to collections of poetry, Notley has published the autobiography Tell Me Again (1982), the play Annes White Glove (1985), and a book of essays on poets and poetry, Coming After (2005). Its flowing world is populated by characters who seem to personify indeterminate pronouns (like a shaman named Qui) and theres a general defiance of set categories: and if one who renews refuses / gender? DR: Where leftover misery goes Can a poem be like a dance? As she writes in the preface, one of the books few footholds, This poem goes pretty far, and terrifies me, but it should be read for pleasure., Although Personism tells us that simply acting like ourselves is enough to make poetry, its lesson is also surprisingly difficult to absorb. turn right, that dream building cutglass window in door. 70DR: Was the teaching of poetry workshops something that connected you to Kenneth Koch? 18DR: The conversation has veered far from Needles, which I hope we will return to, as we evoke various social spaces that seep into the poems. In 1999, Notley was both a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize and a winner of the Los Angeles Times Book Prize for Poetry. (2006). At that point Alice Notley was finding New York less amenable and was keen to go somewhere else. There was a tribe in my home town, the Mojaves. 16DR: Indeed, Berrigan and OHara were both Irish names. DR: Such natural presences are important. When I was writing such pieces and reading them they changed a lot; but it was about trying to get how the mind works, which meant I was writing generally as fast as I could while still keeping self-control, which is why I allowed all these part-words to come in. She also experimented with channeling spirits of deceased loved ones, primarily men gone from her life like her father and her husband, poet Ted Berrigan, and used these conversations as topics and form on her poetry. They bring to mind the French tradition of Guillaume Apollinaires Calligrams (Notley has lived in Paris since the nineties), and their playfulness brings some relief to the poems voyaging. Notley's collage art appeared in Rudy Burckhardt's film "Wayward Glimpses" and her illustrations have appeared on the cover of numerous books, including a few of her own. STEIN, Gertrude. , Memoir/Antimemoir; Summer 2000, p. 147-151. DR: He was deeply inspired by the Hindu tradition, which was brave and opens the culture up. Early on, I understood that was something you could enjoy doing out of folk music. 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There was a black woman at a desk when I went in who said, What are you doing here? I just sat down and replied, Im a widow; Ive got two children; I know its been a year and a half since my husband died; Im trying to stay at home as much as I can and I have a part-time job (I was working for Allen Ginsberg at the time). I knew him in New York, where I saw him from time to time; but after I moved here, he sought me out. Notley was born in Arizona and grew up in Needles, California. NOTLEY, Alice. 20DR: Eileen Myles is another poet who comes from an Irish, working-class, New England background and lost her father. Her honors also include an Academy Award in Literature from the American Academy of Arts and Letters and the Shelley Memorial Award from the Poetry Society of America. I had it for a long time and it started to break. 63DR: Your attitude towards staleness in the academic world, your sensitivity towards these questions of history and politics, indeed your measure and courage for speaking out reminds me of one first-generation New York School poet in particular, Kenneth Koch. Theres a poem where you talk about meeting Teds mother. Some have linked Notley's geographical move to Parissince it followed a period of intensely personal writingas also marking a creative distance between herself and her poems, though her books Mysteries of Small Houses (Penguin, 1998) and Culture of One (Penguin, 2011) engage very much with personal matter. That's the future, babe. DR: Its a beautiful indictment of bureaucracies and their inhuman treatment. She has also been a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize. On Facebook, When expanded it provides a list of search options that will switch the search inputs to match the current selection. Ive mostly dredged it all up, and I know how to get to it without dreaming. Since I had all these poems without titles, I just randomly assigned Rons titles to the poems that ended up in For Frank OHaras Birthday (1976). I was wondering about your thoughts on Native Americans. In this short poem from her 1980 book When I Was Alive, Notley describes a female god who creates, instead of light, lightbulbs & liquefaction, who teaches us affection for paintings and films and the limitations of words. 51My current process is to write in the morning. Parts of a Wedding. Which gives you bits of advice and instructions. With long and limber lines, a clear narrative, and recognizable characters, this sad and sweet poem about Gracie Allen and George Burns demonstrates Notleys wide range. But I met himI met everybodyaround 1968. In fact, he had a whole career as a journalist, and knew how to research, to inform his opinions, and to look at events without a preexisting opinion: thus, I learned how to do that from him, though I find that few today are so intellectually honest. 54AN: Complicated as it is, I can sketch it out: basically, everything is just too dense on the planet, which has been a decision made and a byproduct of technology. staying at the Htel des Grands Hommes with his surrealist friends, who wont get into the Panthon either. She has long written in narrative and epic and genre-bending modes to discover new ways to explore the nature of the self and the social and cultural importance of disobedience. Nina Baym. Middletown, CT: Wesleyan University Press, 2011. Do you remember when he wrote the second The Circus? 98DR: Frank OHara was strongly influenced by Williams, and you in turn take a lot from OHara. 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